Re: Rector and Ripley

Hi Tina:

Glad to have been able to help solve one of your genealogy puzzle pieces.

The provincial marriage registry is in all probability correct as it had no way back then to verify exactly how old the parties were and only recorded the info sent it by the church involved. It was possibly Annie Elizabeth herself who initially “fibbed” about her age to the church minister at marriage time and he [the minister] only wrote in the age he was given in the church marriage records. Photo ID’s and Birth Certificates came along later. A copy of the church marriage record with the correct or incorrect personal information would then be forwarded to the province for recording provincially.

As well, the 1901 Census records are known to be off in many cases by one year on people’s ages. Again, the census enumerator only wrote in the names and ages of the family members he was provided by usually the head or wife of the family unit. The census enumerator again had no way to verify these relationships, names and ages and relied on the honesty of the person providing the census info to him.

I have also come across many older marriages whereby there wasn’t a legal divorce involved. The marriage broke up and either the husband or wife often just went to another county and m/2 as bachelor/widower or spinster/widow; more “fibbing”. You could get away with it back then whereas today, you can’t with improved identification methods.

Dave
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On 14-02-09 8:35 AM, "Tina Bannerman" <tina_bannerman@...> wrote:

I did find the same Annie Eagles in the 1901 census.   I guess I was confused as the N.S. marriage registry shows her at age 21 in 1907, when in fact, she would have been about 17. But, I see that her age is consistent with the census and the obit so the marriage registry is wrong. Then, when I couldn't find her parents, I was even more confused. You actually cleared things up for me. Thanks for the info!

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:18 AM, David Winter <davidwinter@...> wrote:




Tina:

Sorry I can’t be much help with Jack Rector’s daughter from m/1 but I believe this is your Annie Elizabeth (Eagles) Coleman below.

I have her as a birth d/o Samuel Eagles and Annabella “Annie” Goldrich but raised by a possible Eagles relative, Martha Ann Eagles and James Livingstone.

I have Annie Elizabeth m/1 to David John Coleman (died 12 Jun 1916 WWI) with issue of 2 daughters and 2 sons. After David was killed, Annie Elizabeth had a relationship with some unknown person with issue of a son, Alexander Campbell “Duke” Coleman about 1921.

Annie Elizabeth had a 2nd common-law relationship with James Bion McIsaac for awhile with no known issue. James Bion was divorced and had 2 daughters from his previous marriage. After James Bion’s relationship with Annie Elizabeth failed, James Bion m/2 Vida May Welch with issue of 2 sons.

Do I have you confused yet?

Dave
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D/o William and Martha on marriage record

Chronicle Herald, Tuesday, August 22, 1972, pg. #21; Reel #6014, NSARM, Halifax, N.S.
OBITUARY: Mrs. David Coleman
Springhill - Mrs. David Coleman, 83, of Springhill, was buried in Hillside Cemetery following funeral service at Brown's Funeral Home. Born at Greenville, Cumberland County, she was the former Annie Elizabeth Livingstone, a daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. James Livingstone. Surviving are two daughters, Clara (Mrs. Clifford Corkum), Springhill, and Carthiel (Mrs. Archie Wasson), Advocate; three sons, Elmer and David, both of Halifax; Alexander, Springhill; two sisters, Nettie (Mrs. Sandy Coon) and Alice (Mrs. John Rutledge), both of Springhill; 12 grandchildren; 19 great grandchildren; and 2 great great grandchildren.

Source: Dave Winter, 6 Oct 2009

Springhill’s Moss Journal:
Coleman, David John (Mrs.) August 16, 1972 June 6, 1889 83 y Livingstone, Annie E. HC b. Greenville d/o James; m. 1907; d. Springhill

Automatic Genealogy Version;
1901 Cumberland County Census, Springhill family #27, GOLDRICH:
[GOLDRICK}
8     27 Goldrick James E. M     Head M May 13 1865 35
9     27 Goldrick Annie W. F     Wife M Dec 25 1869 31
10     27 Goldrick Arthur N. M     Son S Jul 29 1889 11
11     27 Goldrick James C. M     Son S May 25 1891 9
12     27 Goldrick Walter B. M     Son S Jun 6 1893 7
13     27 Goldrick Willina M. F     Daughter S Feb 2 1895 6
14     27 Goldrick Hazel R. F     Daughter S Dec 7 1897 4
15     27 Goldrick Murdock M     Son S Apr 13 1899 2
16     27 Eagles Annie F     Sister M Sep    1859 41
17     27 Stillman Jane F     Niece M Feb 3 1881 20
18     27 Eagles Rebina F     Niece S Sep    1886 14
19     27 Eagles Annie B. F     Niece S Apr 11 1890 11 [Annie Elizabeth]
20     27 Eagles Mary G. F     Niece S Sep 27 1893 7
21     27 Stillman James E. M        M Mar 30 1871 30
(James Stillman and Jane (Eagles) Stillman are a couple)
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On 14-02-08 11:08 PM, "tina_bannerman@..." <tina_bannerman@...> wrote:



My great grandparents were Grannie & Grampie Rector whom I loved dearly and spent a lot of time with (also known as Jessie Ellid (Ripley) & John Leander "Jack" Rector).

Jessie had told me years ago that Jack had been married before and had a daughter that was older than she (Jessie was born Feb 1900). I have asked members of the family about this and no one seems to know this story other than myself. I don't know what happened to the daughter and, unfortunately, at that time, the province of Nova Scotia did not require births to be recorded.

I have researched and found that Jack Rector had married a Maggie Mason Donaldson. Apparently, through census records, they both had lied about their ages and I never could find out what happened to Maggie or the daughter (until this post re Maggie Donaldson).

It seems that Maggie was adopted or at least taken in by James & Jessie Baird. Jessie subsequently died and Baird then married Christy Rector (Jack's mother, who became known as Grannie Baird). I'm assuming it's the same Maggie Donaldson in the census and it would appear that is how Jack met Maggie.

Jessie Ripley's mother, Mary Ann (O'Donnell) Coleman was married to John David Coleman. It seems they had 2 children, David John Coleman (apparently married to Annie Eagles - who I cannot find any information about - at least for the age she was at the time of marriage). I would have to assume he is the same one who died in WWI, but the age appears to be 2 years off (but then again, with the research I've been doing, ages and names seem to conflict). David Coleman also had a sister, Inez Elizabeth Coleman who married Spillar Gilroy. They were together in the 1921 census but it appears she moved back to Mass, US in 1923 with their two sons.

In Jessie Rector's obituary, it also mentions she was predeceased by a sister, Sadie Ripley. I cannot find any information on her at all. Any information anyone has regarding the above would be greatly appreciated.